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First Meeting A 'Pass' On Public Participation

First Meeting A 'Pass' On Public Participation

Why Am I Blogging Here?

When invited to participate as a guest blogger here by Kinsey Crocker, account executive with Anglin Public Relations, in an email she said,
I work with the Central Oklahoma Transportation and Parking Authority (COTPA). We are going to be hosting a series of public discussions to: (1) collect citizen input on where the modern streetcar should go in downtown Oklahoma City and (2) get public input on an Alternatives Analysis looking at other transportation options for the future of downtown Oklahoma City. We’ll gather citizen input through a series of public meetings beginning March 29 and through online forums, discussions and surveys. The reason I am contacting you, we are looking for several guest bloggers (who are not employed by the city or on the transit oversight committees) to attend some of the meetings and report on the process on our LetsTalkTransit.com blog. Would you be interested?”
Her statement, “collect citizen input on where the modern streetcar should go,” caught both my attention and fancy and after speaking with her and agreeing to participate, she gave this definition of my and the other bloggers’ role here:
Your role is to serve as a citizen reporter for those who can not attend the meetings. You should report on what happens at the meetings, what questions are being asked by the public and provide your own perspective.

That explains part of why I am here, but not all. You may know that I’m an Oklahoma City history aficionado and, as part of that moniker, I and fellow blogger here, Dean Schirf, we do love our trains. Both Dean and I have written extensively on that topic in my history blog. Dean is more into “big” trains but I’m also nostalgic about smaller urban trains, the trolleys, like that shown above.

The March 29 Evening Public Meeting

The meeting was the second such meeting scheduled today, an earlier meeting having occurred in the City Council chambers at 200 N. Walker. Having time conflicts with its 11:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. schedule, I couldn’t make the earlier meeting. The evening meeting was scheduled for 6:00 - 7:30 p.m., and this piece reports on that although I assume that the 11:30 a.m. meeting was much the same. Uncharacteristically, I arrived well before the appointed time to begin and looked around to see who, if any, I knew. Jeff Bezdek, founding member and mover-and-shaker in the Modern Transit Project (I’m sure that he has a more appropriate title but I don’t know what it is) was there; one of my favorite Oklahoma legislators, now retired House member Debbie Blackburn, and friend Casey Cornett were, too, as was Michael Scroggins, Public Information Officer for COTPA, who’d earlier given Steve Lackmeyer and me a most excellent tour of Union Station. The evening meeting was not crowded so you might look over the 40 or so faces to see who you might know:

The meeting convened shortly after 6:00 p.m. Jennifer Eve, moderator, introduced the three speakers: Rick Cain, director of COTPA; Mike McAnelly with Jacobs Engineering; and Project 180 engineer and coordinator Laura Story.

Rick Cain


Mike McAnelly


Laura Story

Laura was present only to comment briefly upon Project 180's coordination with the transit elements of MAPS 3 so to avoid unnecessary digging up of streets, etc. Truth is, Project 180's fast pace (set to begin in May 2010) may well be driving the speed and timing of the modern streetcar component of MAPS 3, and, if it is, hats off to Project 180. But, the heavy lifters during the presentation were Cain and McAnelly. As it developed, the meeting was largely expository of the modern streetcar and its potential commercial and other benefits — the subject of possible downtown transit routes never came up at all. If you’d care to peruse the content of this website and compare them with what Cain and McAnelly had to say, I very much doubt that you’d find anything new being said. Of the main presentations, my sense is that McAnelly’s was the most informed and articulately presented although both were fine. That said, the types of topics developed were very fundamental, such as ...

  • What is the modern streetcar?
  • How does it work with other traffic?
  • How is the modern streetcar ADA compliant?
  • Who are current manufacturers of modern streetcars?
  • What cities presently and prospectively have them?

What about fares — some free, some not? I’m not developing these and other generic topics here because I don’t see what was presented as being particularly newsworthy and no breaking news was presented during the presentations. Questions from the audience were written upon forms and were then selectively presented to either Cain or McAnelly, and quite a number were presented (I wasn’t counting). That said, no voices were heard during the meeting other than those of Jennifer Eve, Rick Cain, Mike McAnelly, and Laura Story. I will elaborate more if comments request it after this post is done. But, as Bryan Dean said in his Oklahoman article about today’s meetings, “Monday’s meetings were mostly informational,” and he is accurate in that description. Read his report for more than I’m saying here. He doubtless attended the mid-day meeting. This meeting was scheduled to end at 7:30 p.m. but it adjourned at 7:00, lasting less than 60 minutes’ time. I was easily able to return home to eat some soup and tapioca pudding and settle in to watch my all-time favorite TV show at 8:00 p.m., 24, in which I was once again able to voyeuristically participate in Jack Bauer’s endeavors to save us all from hideous acts of international terrorism. Now, to be fair, there aren’t many, if any, that have the capability of topping my hero Jack Bauer in my interest level, and this meeting, while generally informative, gave me nothing new to chew on. Jack Bauer always does.

Evaluation

It’s probably fair to give this first meeting a pass on public participation and a discussion of competing ideas, neither of which really occurred today. But since the meeting was apparently designed to be general and not specific in its scope but was merely an informative stage setter, that’s almost OK — except for the fact that we’ve been there and done that during the MAPS 3 campaign. As for me, only one such pass is OK. Future meetings need to provide a place for true public discussion — speakers and voices other than public officials actually need to be heard from the floor — and what about this concept: a meeting wherein ALL presenters would be non-public officials. Speaker 1 would advance and argue for Route #1; Speaker 2 would do the same for Route #2; and so on. If the Mayor or his proxy wants to present a route based on the “spoke system” he referred to during the MAPS 3 campaign, that would be great, too. That’s REAL public discussion. The submission of written questions which are then selectively advanced to a presenter by a question-screener may assure good order and avoid chaos, but that method does not allow for spontaneity and it does not provide for public discussion, not even close. “Discussion.” Look it up in your Webster’s. What we heard today was a general description of the modern streetcar. What we did not hear was a more fundamental description of why these 7 meetings were occurring or why they would matter when all is said and done. Window dressing we don’t want or need. What we do need is bona fide discussion, defined here to be “Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.”

Future meetings need to definitively define the process

  • WHAT IS the overall process for determining the downtown transit routes;
  • HOW DO these meetings relate to that process; and, if they don’t relate, then why bother?

But, like I said, today’s meeting almost gets a pass. As a general information meeting, it was nicely presented, but I’m guessing that the 40 or so in attendance were already primed on the topic and were hoping for a bit more.

6 comments (Add your own)

1. Sherry wrote:
One thing I would like to have remembered. Many times people who make these ideas DO NOT TAKE TRANSIT THEMSELVES. I don't drive, many people for many reasons do not drive (not because they are poor). Many people coming to visit, come from states where they don't need to drive downtown. Before making these decisions, EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THE DECISONS SHOULD TAKE THE TRANSIT FOR ALL USES FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DAYS. Sometimes when people visit they mention that downtown is sort of easy to use but pass that it is "sad". Not all visitors stay downtown at all times.

Another thing is the weather. If you are visiting and spending money downtown. Standing in the wind, rain, snow and heat can make you turn around and go back to your hotel. Think of cover for all transit or think about a subway that could also be used during tornados for shelter.

Wed, March 31, 2010 @ 12:23 AM

2. James Ellison wrote:
Sherry - I understand your concerns and they are not uncommon when I speak with people who don't live downtown or frequently travel downtown, however, there are some misconceptions that you need to take into consideration. With the $130 million set aside out of the MAPS3 we need to 1) spend the money where we will get the greatest return on investment and 2) invest in technology that will increase our qualifications for federal matching dollars that we will be able to spend/leverage on the rest of a future regional system. Keep in mind $130 million, even if spent on the current bus system, will not be enough money to solve that major problem and therefore if spent there would be a huge mistake. The downtown circulator is a small step to achieving a bigger goal which is a reliable regional transit system. Just as the human body functions we need our heart to be healthy for the rest of our body to respond/function the way we intend. The downtown circulator is the absolute best way to begin building this regional system and in the process it will singlehandedly revitalize the downtown core and its surrounding neighborhoods like nothing that has come before it....

Wed, March 31, 2010 @ 4:16 PM

3. Geoffrey Morrison wrote:
I'm going to put on my "angry cap" here: Most of us here have to drive. Previous city governments encouraged haphazard development and sprawl and eliminated streetcars in the early 1900s in favor of beloved petro and cars. Many of you here likely yawn at this!

I hate driving here so much now that I did look into buses--the city insists that I "park and ride" in what I consider to be a risky location. This is about five miles from where I live. Walk? Well, useful sidewalks generally are non-existent north of 23rd Street. (That will improve somewhat in the future, however: How that will improve is a very good question.)

We depend always upon major thoroughfares to get into these sprawl neighborhoods (and, we'd need those same routes for walking to a bus or other "greener" transport): Everything considered from the past was intended to support the auto and petroleum industries. (A lesson of living with sprawl: Look at the parking lot (even at night) for the Mercy Heart Hospital on Memorial Road!)

As for downtown, I think some of those "giant file cabinets" will be converted into housing for some future elderly and others (perhaps "dinks" and singles) who can no longer (or don't want to) support "dream" houses in sprawl areas anymore.

So, downtown as a business center is overrated--before the recent financial crash, developers were busy creating luxury office parks near sprawl neighborhoods (to save tenants aggravation and commuting). Nonetheless, I do think the currently considered downtown transit is a very good, if infant, first step.

Fri, April 9, 2010 @ 3:32 PM

4. Michael Herndon wrote:
Downtown has more contiguous office space and cultural amenities than any other portion fo Oklahoma City. PERIOD. There are no amounts of business parks that can hold a candle to downtown.

I understand your sprawl argument, but the trends are reversing. If people choose to live in the suburbs, then I think they choose to drive. I know its unfair, but until we can fix this transit system by starting with this streetcar and then moving onto bus infrastructure to support you suburbanites then you'll have to be patient I believe. This system is horrible and the outlying, sprawling communities aren't helping it. But I believe that if coordinated and planned right, then it will be a success.

Wed, April 14, 2010 @ 10:07 PM

5. Allie wrote:
Well done artilce that. I'll make sure to use it wisely.

Sun, December 25, 2011 @ 6:31 PM

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Mon, December 26, 2011 @ 3:39 AM

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